Linx
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Post by Linx on Nov 4, 2011 18:33:32 GMT -6
Lol, does it mean the Arashi are a little insecure and have to over compensate? And if what you said was true, thanking for correcting me. If not, it certainly seems plausible, lol.
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Alex
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Post by Alex on Nov 4, 2011 18:42:07 GMT -6
Alucard, I think Guill touched on some of those potential plot holes as Tajna. Look up The Merging in the Chapters Index Board and Ghosts of the Past, Omens of the Future in the archives.
Mariya, remember The Creator dictates everything. He is the puppet master pulling the strings. If he wants The End to be able to cease existence he'll give it the means to do so. Before you ask why, I can't answer. The whole point is The Creator (or gods in general) are meant to be beyond our comprehension. In this universe The Creator is beyond "all" comprehension. I know for any story that's pretty bogus to excuse plot holes but it is still a reason.
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Linx
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Post by Linx on Nov 4, 2011 18:44:35 GMT -6
Thanks for the recommendation, I'll look into those.
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Post by lisa on Nov 4, 2011 18:45:53 GMT -6
And that's why I'm atheist.
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Veran
Arashi
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Post by Veran on Nov 5, 2011 2:18:17 GMT -6
This discussion just stepped itself up a notch.
When speaking of Yahweh and the creator, there has to be an understanding that measures of power at this stage goes beyond human comprehension. Take Aper for example; a being of infinite power. Upon self-destructing, his energy poured out into the different portals that surrounded Aircaino essentially destroying countless other dimensions in the process (and is still doing, since it is expanding into the portals and not engulfing Genesis to this day).
On a certain level, this would mean any God-like entity has a potentially infinite source of power. Yahweh, Veran, The End, The Creator... they are all constructs impossible to measure and thus theoretically all equals in spite of their established hierarchy. If you want to get mathematical, you could use superior values of infinity to define the creator - setting him on a bigger scale than the others, however facts remain that infinity remains infinity.
Also, many threads with Tajna (i.e. The Merging, Philosophy) have debated upon the question of fate, the Arashi's role in the grand scheme of things and the impossibility of deviating from the linear time-line.
The Shroud was offered as a tool to change the mathematical impossibility of surpassing an infinite being in sheer force.
Call it divine intervention if the theoretical mumbo-jumbo is too dense ;D
Also, Supreme King... LOL?! Helping the people Veran Mind----- XD
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Dianne
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Post by Dianne on Nov 5, 2011 4:21:02 GMT -6
Even though it's impossible to measure infinity wouldn't it be safe to assume that a being of infinite power attacking a place of infinite space would just drown each other out? Otherwise Aper would have destroyed the universe already.
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Post by lisa on Nov 5, 2011 5:02:12 GMT -6
On a certain level, this would mean any God-like entity has a potentially infinite source of power. Yahweh, Veran, The End, The Creator... they are all constructs impossible to measure and thus theoretically all equals in spite of their established hierarchy. If you want to get mathematical, you could use superior values of infinity to define the creator - setting him on a bigger scale than the others, however facts remain that infinity remains infinity. One is a creation and the other is not. Seems pretty obvious how one outranks the other. |
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Veran
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Post by Veran on Nov 5, 2011 9:04:13 GMT -6
Even though it's impossible to measure infinity wouldn't it be safe to assume that a being of infinite power attacking a place of infinite space would just drown each other out? Otherwise Aper would have destroyed the universe already. That is why Emmanuel (Aper's sun) is stable; it is still expanding within the other realities it has invaded. But as for the End... There is this nice place within Genesis called the Downward Spiral which gives anyone access to any and all realities across all times from a single focal point... are you seeing where I'm getting at? There will be no need for the Arashi's power to expand and fill an infinite space because - simply put - using the Downward Spiral they could end everything at once. And y'all stopped the only thing in the universe that attempted to destroy it... To protect Genesis at that  |
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Post by Sincara on Nov 5, 2011 10:04:21 GMT -6
This is what happens when people try to overcomplicate things.
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Post by lisa on Nov 5, 2011 10:10:22 GMT -6
Oh how intelligent. Create a device that can single-handedly end the whole universe at the push of a button and then leave it right out in the open where anyone can get to it.
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Post by Chloe/Kat on Nov 5, 2011 10:19:33 GMT -6
This is what happens when people try to overcomplicate things. They get egg on their face? |
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Post by Sincara on Nov 5, 2011 10:26:26 GMT -6
This is what happens when people try to overcomplicate things. They get egg on their face? You miss the solution that's staring you right in the face. Though I suppose they get some egg on there too. |
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Post by DC Comics on Nov 5, 2011 10:30:04 GMT -6
Mariya, remember The Creator dictates everything. He is the puppet master pulling the strings. If he wants The End to be able to cease existence he'll give it the means to do so. There is this nice place within Genesis called the Downward Spiral which gives anyone access to any and all realities across all times from a single focal point... are you seeing where I'm getting at? There will be no need for the Arashi's power to expand and fill an infinite space because - simply put - using the Downward Spiral they could end everything at once. That was some awesome foreshadowing going on there. |
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Post by lisa on Nov 5, 2011 10:39:11 GMT -6
They get egg on their face? You miss the solution that's staring you right in the face. Though I suppose they get some egg on their too. You didn't figure it out either.  |
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Post by Sincara on Nov 5, 2011 10:44:58 GMT -6
You miss the solution that's staring you right in the face. Though I suppose they get some egg on there too. You didn't figure it out either. I wasn't giving it much thought. You see, I like to read a story from beginning to end and then think about it after I'm done. Not stop and analyze every waking detail and potentially spoil the ending for me. |
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