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Post by Queen Lori on Jan 27, 2013 23:50:30 GMT -6
There was no reason for Isafaro's involvement with Harker right around the corner. I know you were looking for your "window of opportunity" but that wasn't it.
I also don't remember Jean ever giving his name either.
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Post by DC Comics on Jan 28, 2013 0:12:33 GMT -6
To be fair, Sazan attacked the heart of the Isafaro government and killed a bunch of it's denizens while it was operating on a new regime and spending its resources into helping a fellow nation solve a significant terrorist threat. As much as tensions warranted a careful examination of Isafaro in the current situation, Sazan's actions are a direct political attack against one of the greatest military powers in all of Jherra. In spite of their reputation under Vulture, a new seating power could mend a lot of the old wounds inflicted by the past dictator. Which is why it was a mistake taking Sazan to Isafaro. She should have been taken to Harker Industries who could have treated her and then begin examining the effects of the gas themselves, then meet with Ranka in Isafaro. Though even that is pretty risky. If word got out that Sparda appeared in Isafaro after a castle bombing it would look suspicious. And don't think Harker doesn't have the resources at his disposal to retrieve such information. I don't think they really could have foreseen Sazan being so... aggressive. There was no reason for Isafaro's involvement with Harker right around the corner. I know you were looking for your "window of opportunity" but that wasn't it. I also don't remember Jean ever giving his name either. Cazador edited his post in the Warehouse to where he gave it. |
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Post by Queen Lori on Jan 28, 2013 0:21:36 GMT -6
There was no reason for Isafaro's involvement with Harker right around the corner. I know you were looking for your "window of opportunity" but that wasn't it. I also don't remember Jean ever giving his name either. Cazador edited his post in the Warehouse to where he gave it. That makes no sense. Why go through all the trouble of disguising your face and leaving no trace of evidence if you were just going to give them your name? |
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Post by Marvel Universe on Jan 28, 2013 0:36:52 GMT -6
Which is why it was a mistake taking Sazan to Isafaro. She should have been taken to Harker Industries who could have treated her and then begin examining the effects of the gas themselves, then meet with Ranka in Isafaro. Though even that is pretty risky. If word got out that Sparda appeared in Isafaro after a castle bombing it would look suspicious. And don't think Harker doesn't have the resources at his disposal to retrieve such information. I don't think they really could have foreseen Sazan being so... aggressive. You can take Sazan out as a factor completely and my later points still stand. |
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Post by Sincara on Jan 28, 2013 0:48:02 GMT -6
To be fair, Sazan attacked the heart of the Isafaro government and killed a bunch of it's denizens while it was operating on a new regime and spending its resources into helping a fellow nation solve a significant terrorist threat. As much as tensions warranted a careful examination of Isafaro in the current situation, Sazan's actions are a direct political attack against one of the greatest military powers in all of Jherra. In spite of their reputation under Vulture, a new seating power could mend a lot of the old wounds inflicted by the past dictator. No one is disputing that, but it's obvious Sazan isn't operating under logic. Revenge dictates her actions. She hates Ranka and wants him dead no matter the consequences to herself or others. All she has to do now is inform the queen that a dangerous man sits at the helm of Isafaro and that he needs to be taken out swiftly. War is inevitable. |
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Post by Queen Lori on Jan 28, 2013 0:58:49 GMT -6
To be fair, Sazan attacked the heart of the Isafaro government and killed a bunch of it's denizens while it was operating on a new regime and spending its resources into helping a fellow nation solve a significant terrorist threat. As much as tensions warranted a careful examination of Isafaro in the current situation, Sazan's actions are a direct political attack against one of the greatest military powers in all of Jherra. In spite of their reputation under Vulture, a new seating power could mend a lot of the old wounds inflicted by the past dictator. No one is disputing that, but it's obvious Sazan isn't operating under logic. Revenge dictates her actions. She hates Ranka and wants him dead no matter the consequences to herself or others. All she has to do now is inform the queen that a dangerous man sits at the helm of Isafaro and that he needs to be taken out swiftly. War is inevitable. And if you're entertaining the idea of killing Sazan; don't. That will guarantee war. |
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Post by DC Comics on Jan 28, 2013 1:03:32 GMT -6
No one is disputing that, but it's obvious Sazan isn't operating under logic. Revenge dictates her actions. She hates Ranka and wants him dead no matter the consequences to herself or others. All she has to do now is inform the queen that a dangerous man sits at the helm of Isafaro and that he needs to be taken out swiftly. War is inevitable. And if you're entertaining the idea of killing Sazan; don't. That will guarantee war. Then war will occur regardless of what he does. Kind of an empty threat, Your Highness. |
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Post by Ayen on Jan 28, 2013 1:25:08 GMT -6
Clarification is needed I feel.
Once upon a time there was a place called Domino City. Sazan liked it very much. Then one day a crimson vampire came along and blew it up until a sexy bastard chopped off his head and impaled it to a wall.
Then ANOTHER crimson vampire who Sazan actually liked decided, after being labeled terrorists thanks to the clever tactics of an enemy organization, to go underground to stop them. How did he do this? By killing innocent people to make himself a traitor and drive Amoura off the deep end. Sazan did not like the crimson vampire very much after that. She was actually starting to dislike the color red.
Now, whether you think the end justify the means or not, Sazan doesn't, you have to ask yourself, do you really think it wise to trust the ally who would do all of that to you just to eliminate an enemy organization? Do you really feel comfortable having them in such a position of power? Do you really trust them?
Because Sazan doesn't.
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Post by DC Comics on Jan 28, 2013 1:32:04 GMT -6
Clarification is needed I feel. Once upon a time there was a place called Domino City. Sazan liked it very much. Then one day a crimson vampire came along and blew it up until a sexy bastard chopped off his head and impaled it to a wall. Then ANOTHER crimson vampire who Sazan actually liked decided, after being labeled terrorists thanks to the clever tactics of an enemy organization, to go underground to stop them. How did he do this? By killing innocent people to make himself a traitor and drive Amoura off the deep end. Sazan did not like the crimson vampire very much after that. She was actually starting to dislike the color red. Now, whether you think the end justify the means or not, Sazan doesn't, you have to ask yourself, do you really think it wise to trust the ally who would do all of that to you just to eliminate an enemy organization? Do you really feel comfortable having them in such a position of power? Do you really trust them? Because Sazan doesn't. Then it's kind of hypocritical of her that she killed innocence and was willing to kill even more by blowing up the whole Core just to take out one guy. |
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Post by Ayen on Jan 28, 2013 1:38:05 GMT -6
Clarification is needed I feel. Once upon a time there was a place called Domino City. Sazan liked it very much. Then one day a crimson vampire came along and blew it up until a sexy bastard chopped off his head and impaled it to a wall. Then ANOTHER crimson vampire who Sazan actually liked decided, after being labeled terrorists thanks to the clever tactics of an enemy organization, to go underground to stop them. How did he do this? By killing innocent people to make himself a traitor and drive Amoura off the deep end. Sazan did not like the crimson vampire very much after that. She was actually starting to dislike the color red. Now, whether you think the end justify the means or not, Sazan doesn't, you have to ask yourself, do you really think it wise to trust the ally who would do all of that to you just to eliminate an enemy organization? Do you really feel comfortable having them in such a position of power? Do you really trust them? Because Sazan doesn't. Then it's kind of hypocritical of her that she killed innocence and was willing to kill even more by blowing up the whole Core just to take out one guy. Never once did I say she was without wrong doing. I'm just explaining the basics of her motivations. |
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Post by DC Comics on Jan 28, 2013 1:41:21 GMT -6
Then it's kind of hypocritical of her that she killed innocence and was willing to kill even more by blowing up the whole Core just to take out one guy. Never once did I say she was without wrong doing. I'm just explaining the basics of her motivations. Her simply not trusting a man isn't really something that leads to trying to kill them on sight. |
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Post by Ayen on Jan 28, 2013 1:51:58 GMT -6
Never once did I say she was without wrong doing. I'm just explaining the basics of her motivations. Her simply not trusting a man isn't really something that leads to trying to kill them on sight. It's not just a distrust issue, it's a hatred issue. Sazan hates Ranka for what he did to Amoura and the rest of the crew, she never forgave him for it and that hatred only grew over time. |
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Post by Red Queen on Jan 28, 2013 1:56:12 GMT -6
No one is disputing that, but it's obvious Sazan isn't operating under logic. Revenge dictates her actions. She hates Ranka and wants him dead no matter the consequences to herself or others. All she has to do now is inform the queen that a dangerous man sits at the helm of Isafaro and that he needs to be taken out swiftly. War is inevitable. And if you're entertaining the idea of killing Sazan; don't. That will guarantee war. How does that guarantee war? |
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Post by DC Comics on Jan 28, 2013 2:01:54 GMT -6
Her simply not trusting a man isn't really something that leads to trying to kill them on sight. It's not just a distrust issue, it's a hatred issue. Sazan hates Ranka for what he did to Amoura and the rest of the crew, she never forgave him for it and that hatred only grew over time. Not really what you said earlier but I get what you're saying. She's blinded by hate, then. |
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Post by Sincara on Jan 28, 2013 2:04:38 GMT -6
Never once did I say she was without wrong doing. I'm just explaining the basics of her motivations. Her simply not trusting a man isn't really something that leads to trying to kill them on sight. Not for nothing, DC, but if one of my allies turned on me because things weren't going our way I'd put them down the next time I saw them regardless of what their reasons were. |
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