Kira Yamato
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Post by Kira Yamato on Apr 4, 2012 12:36:24 GMT -6
I was under the impression it worked essentially the same way as Kragen said.
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Miracle
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Post by Miracle on Apr 4, 2012 12:58:38 GMT -6
From what I can understand of the Nightmare it manipulates the target(s) perception of reality and isn't limited to any specific function indicating that if it has a limit it would simply be the user's imagination. If it just manipulated reality itself then anyone in the area would be able to see its effects but there has been several incidents in the past where the Nightmare was selective in who could see it. Somehow I don't think it was perception of reality that animated Zira's skeleton.  |
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Post by DC Comics on Apr 4, 2012 13:05:05 GMT -6
From what I can understand of the Nightmare it manipulates the target(s) perception of reality and isn't limited to any specific function indicating that if it has a limit it would simply be the user's imagination. If it just manipulated reality itself then anyone in the area would be able to see its effects but there has been several incidents in the past where the Nightmare was selective in who could see it. Somehow I don't think it was perception of reality that animated Zira's corpse. There are two things I find wrong with your statement, 1.) We don't know that for sure. Just because it was real to Zira and company doesn't make it so. 2.) Even if it wasn't we must remember that it is Veran's victims who fight like him, not Veran who fight like his victims. Edit: Actually three things. It was her skeleton. |
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Post by Miracle on Apr 4, 2012 13:16:01 GMT -6
Somehow I don't think it was perception of reality that animated Zira's corpse. There are two things I find wrong with your statement, 1.) We don't know that for sure. Just because it was real to Zira and company doesn't make it so. 2.) Even if it wasn't we must remember that it is Veran's victims who fight like him, not Veran who fight like his victims. Edit: Actually three things. It was her skeleton. Oops! So it was. Don't know where my mind is at today. |
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Post by Aper on Apr 4, 2012 18:50:08 GMT -6
The Nightmare acts differently when used by Veran or when used by the ones infected by it.
Veran's nightmare bends and changes reality. Crystal City was basically turned into the new Silent Hill because of it, and anyone who comes in contact with it becomes plagued by nightmares and visions of their greatest fears and the worst of atrocities.
In turn the victims can plague others with the same lucid dreams. Except their version of the power only acts upon the perception of the other person.
Basically, Veran makes the Nightmare a reality, while others are only smoke and mirrors.
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Post by Sincara on Apr 4, 2012 19:05:25 GMT -6
...Can someone please explain to me how Fukari's apparently able to completely shrug off the Nightmare's effects? The same way Amoura, Maya, Sparda and Chloe does I'd imagine. |
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Post by Kragen on Apr 4, 2012 19:20:31 GMT -6
The Nightmare acts differently when used by Veran or when used by the ones infected by it. Veran's nightmare bends and changes reality. Crystal City was basically turned into the new Silent Hill because of it, and anyone who comes in contact with it becomes plagued by nightmares and visions of their greatest fears and the worst of atrocities. In turn the victims can plague others with the same lucid dreams. Except their version of the power only acts upon the perception of the other person. Basically, Veran makes the Nightmare a reality, while others are only smoke and mirrors. That makes sense. The way victims of the Nightmare get swept up by it then learn how to control it works pretty similar to learning how to lucid dream. ...Can someone please explain to me how Fukari's apparently able to completely shrug off the Nightmare's effects? The same way Amoura, Maya, Sparda and Chloe does I'd imagine. That would suggest Fukari was already infected by the Nightmare prior to her fight with Chloe. |
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Post by Sincara on Apr 4, 2012 19:27:24 GMT -6
That would suggest Fukari was already infected by the Nightmare prior to her fight with Chloe. |
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Post by Kragen on Apr 4, 2012 19:31:16 GMT -6
That would suggest Fukari was already infected by the Nightmare prior to her fight with Chloe. I don't know. You may be reading a little too much into that. |
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Post by Sparda on Apr 4, 2012 19:31:34 GMT -6
That would suggest Fukari was already infected by the Nightmare prior to her fight with Chloe. Which then begs the question; how could Fukari have become infected without coming into contact with another infectee who then willingly passed it on? |
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Post by Sincara on Apr 4, 2012 19:37:06 GMT -6
Those who rely on the power the most actually knew and understood so little about it while those who chose to oppose it entirely understood it so much more. Which then begs the question; how could Fukari have become infected without coming into contact with another infectee who then willingly passed it on? The same way she always has claymores in the ground before a battle. |
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Post by Sparda on Apr 4, 2012 19:41:09 GMT -6
Besides which, however much it might be downplayed, no one can simply shrug the Nightmare off upon first contact however well-prepared they may think they are. Look at Amoura - she's a first-generation infectee, haunted by Veran himself, and the Nightmare's driven her to the utmost brink of insanity more than once.
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Post by Ayen on Apr 4, 2012 19:51:47 GMT -6
Besides which, however much it might be downplayed, no one can simply shrug the Nightmare off upon first contact however well-prepared they may think they are. Look at Amoura - she's a first-generation infectee, haunted by Veran himself, and the Nightmare's driven her to the utmost brink of insanity more than once. |
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Post by Sincara on Apr 4, 2012 20:26:24 GMT -6
Besides which, however much it might be downplayed, no one can simply shrug the Nightmare off upon first contact however well-prepared they may think they are. Look at Amoura - she's a first-generation infectee, haunted by Veran himself, and the Nightmare's driven her to the utmost brink of insanity more than once. Who said it was shrugged off upon first contact? Fukari has been missing in action since July 20th, 2011 and since this site works on real time that is a seven month absence between her choosing to stay in Utopia and the start of Woe. And Utopia is home to people from multiple realities. It isn't much of a stretch at all to imagine that at some point during that gap Fukari found someone infected, had them expose her to the Nightmare and trained to control it before even stepping foot in Jherrazad. |
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Post by Sparda on Apr 4, 2012 20:29:01 GMT -6
Besides which, however much it might be downplayed, no one can simply shrug the Nightmare off upon first contact however well-prepared they may think they are. Look at Amoura - she's a first-generation infectee, haunted by Veran himself, and the Nightmare's driven her to the utmost brink of insanity more than once. Who said it was shrugged off upon first contact? Fukari has been missing in action since July 20th, 2011 and since this site works on real time that is a seven month absence between her choosing to stay in Utopia and the start of Woe. And Utopia is home to people from multiple realities. It isn't much of a stretch at all to imagine that at some point during that gap Fukari found someone infected, had them exposed her to the Nightmare and trained to control it before even stepping foot in Jherrazad. ...Know what? You're probably right. I wouldn't put it past her. Which leaves the million-dollar question: what can Chloe possibly do now to even survive this battle, never mind win it? |
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